What We Can Do To Prevent Rape and Abuse

Trigger warning for rape.

I spend a lot of time talking about rape. Seriously, my parents have started picking up on how much I talk about rape and sending me articles about rape in the judicial system and the FBI’s new definition. But one of the big problems with talking about rape is that a lot of it is just raising awareness– rape is happening, it is common, and people suffer from it. And apart from donating to RAINN it’s pretty rare that anyone tells you anything you can actually do.

Well, they do. As we’ve talked about before, there are usually two ways of talking about rape prevention: the mainstream view, which is that women (who are, of course, the only people raped) ought to avoid rape by not walking alone, getting drunk, wearing short skirts, etc; and the feminist view, which is that we ought to tell rapists not to rape. Both are ineffective in their own ways.

There’s little empirical support for the mainstream view (…anyone ever seen a, you know, actual study on the effects of clothing on rape?); it tends to lead to victim-blaming if the survivor didn’t follow the advice; it offers no help for partner rape, which is one of the most common rape scenarios, except “take self-defense classes and be ready to attack every person you know at any time”; and, well, call me a radical feminist, but I don’t think people shouldn’t have to avoid daily life activities for fear of violent assault. And the feminist view, while morally sound, suffers from the flaw that if rapists were prone to taking advice from feminists about how to have sex, they wouldn’t be rapists in the first place.

Fortunately, the world does not consist entirely of rapists and rape survivors! In fact, the majority of people are neither: about 6% of men and a probably smaller percentage of women (I am unaware of the stats) are rapists; about 18% of women and 6% of men are survivors. That leaves about 85% of the fucking population that is neither and to whom, being the majority, we ought to direct our rape-prevention advice. Which I shall proceed to do!

Don’t be that asshole. Okay, look, we are members of the Not Rapist portion of the population, yes? But that doesn’t mean that we necessarily practice good consent. Hell, even Tiny Ozy was prone to “are you suuuuuuuure you don’t want sex?” wheedling. Remember that learning good consent is a process– no one expects you to be a flawless communicator immediately, and there is no sense beating yourself up for the times you’ve used pressure to get someone into bed in the past, as long as you don’t do it in the future.

Boycott rapey shit. Sorry, Wedding Crashers, 40 Days and 40 Nights, and everything else that has decided to make “rape is fucking hilarious!” a plotline. My deepest apologies to The Misfits, Odd Future, and anyone else who is like “lol, I mentioned rape, I am edgy.” If an artist is normalizing, condoning, or apologizing for rape, do not give them money. (If you’re about to protest about how you will never be able to watch/read/whatever anything ever again, I would like to say (a) yes you fucking can and (b) dude, the Internet is right there, I hope I don’t have to teach you how to pirate shit. Also, the library is fucking free.)

The most important subset of Boycott Rapey Shit, in my opinion, is Boycott Media Made By Rapists. Yes, that means that you shouldn’t buy the DVD of Chinatown. My heart bleeds. Where you draw the line about Stuff Made By Rapists is an individual choice– I personally won’t listen to Modest Mouse– but I see no reason why we should be encouraging the careers of rapists, particularly rapists who have experienced no meaningful punishment.

Stay informed. Because, trust me, at some point you will end up in a conversation about rape! And then someone will be saying some fucking rape-apologist shit like “I totally don’t think women are asking to be raped, but she should know that there are a lot of bad men out there and not encourage them by dressing like a slut.” And if you know how to answer that (I like either “dude, why are you trying to encourage women to wear fewer short skirts? Not cool” or “People have been raped wearing all kinds of outfits– jeans, sweatpants, Elmo footie pajamas”), then you will not be stuck glaring at them and coming up with something really fucking witty to say half an hour later.

Intervene. I hope everyone here knows about the bystander effect. If you don’t, get your ass to Wikipedia and learn, because the single greatest cause of not falling victim to the bystander effect is knowing about the bystander effect. For everyone else: the most important thing is your own safety and the safety of the victim. Don’t rush in like a white knight ready to slay the dragon and actually leave everyone worse afterwards.

If you encounter someone hitting someone else on the street, you might call the police, be a witness to the violence by standing close by, verbally intervene (for instance, by asking the victim if they’re okay and need a taxi), or create a distraction. You could talk to a friend who’s emotionally or physically abusive in a private, calm moment and tell them that their behavior is not okay and they need help; be ready to drop the friendship if they won’t. If you have a friend whose relationship is showing red flags of abuse, encourage them to break up with their partner; if it has progressed to full abuse, tell them that you’ve seen the signs and that you’re willing to give them whatever help they need. If your friends are being harassing or otherwise shitty, call them out on it, distract them, or even just frown and refuse to join in. Drunksit your friends, if they need it, and help pull them out of situations where they’re uncomfortable.

One of the most common situations you’re going to get into, as a non-rapist non-rape-survivor person, is someone saying some kind of rapey comment. You know the type. The “she was asking for it”s. The “don’t drop the soap”s. The “women falsely accuse men of rape all the time”s. The “you can’t rape a man”s. The “it’s not rape if you enjoyed it”s. Thankfully, those people are absolutely never original, so you can develop a repertoire of responses. The exact strategy you use depends on your personality: I tend to go for deep, deep sarcasm (“oh, yes, I know I go out every Saturday night just begging to be raped”), flying into a feminist rage (“you said WHAT about prison rape?”), and sheer iciness (“I hope you realize that if you actually have sex with a passed-out person you’re a rapist.”).

Know how to respond to survivors. Most survivors will tell a friend or relative first; you can play a major role in their recovery, or revictimize them. Listen to them, believe them, and respect their feelings and decisions (for instance, don’t pressure them into reporting if they don’t want to). Say things like “I’m glad you told me,” “you didn’t deserve it,” “this isn’t your fault,” “I’m sorry this happened to you,” “it’s brave of you to tell someone.” Gently ask if you can help. Don’t ask questions about their situation– they’ll disclose what they feel comfortable disclosing. Accept their reactions, even if they aren’t what you’d do or they don’t fit in with how survivors are “supposed” to behave. DON’T VICTIM-BLAME– seriously, if you’d respond to a rape survivor with “well, you know, you’ll be more careful next time”, GTFO my blog.

Be a good influence. Children are the next generation of hopefully less rapey people. Teach any children you happen to know about healthy and respectful relationships– fairness, respect, dealing with anger. Model healthy relationships for them, if you can. Respect their boundaries: if they don’t want to be tickled, don’t fucking tickle them; if they don’t want to hug Aunt Marge, don’t make them hug Aunt Marge. A child still has bodily autonomy and while it can be overridden for good reasons (vaccines), avoiding some awkwardness at the dinner table is not one of those reasons.

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48 Responses to What We Can Do To Prevent Rape and Abuse

  1. Danny says:

    Well, they do. As we’ve talked about before, there are usually two ways of talking about rape prevention: the mainstream view, which is that women (who are, of course, the only people raped) ought to avoid rape by not walking alone, getting drunk, wearing short skirts, etc; and the feminist view, which is that we ought to tell rapists not to rape. Both are ineffective in their own ways.
    In addition to those views I think there is at least a third. The view that says men are the ones that need to stop rape. This view depends on the idea that rape is “something that men do to women”. And anyone that believes in people taking responsibility for their own actions (paging Agency!!!) can see the obvious flaw in this.

    As for the rest, I dig.

  2. GudEnuf says:

    I criticize feminist bloggers all the time, but this shit is really important. It is possible to prevent sexual assault.

    I remember one time I was at a late-night pool party and we were all pretty drunk. One woman was flirting with another guy, and another woman suggested to the guy that he should pull her top off. I was very drunk, but I managed to clear my mind long enough to tell him that pulling her top off without consent would be sexual assault . I also kept an eye on him the whole party. He didn’t try anything.

    I don’t know what would have happened if I hadn’t spoken up, but I’m glad that I did. Contrary to expectations, I didn’t receive any backlash from the other party guests. In fact one of them said they were glad someone spoke up.

    The point of this story is not to pat myself on the back, but to point out that one person can make a difference. If one person says “rape is not cool”, that can be enough to turn the whole crowd against a rapist.

  3. Xakudo says:

    @GudEnuf:

    One woman was flirting with another guy, and another woman suggested to the guy that he should pull her top off. I was very drunk, but I managed to clear my mind long enough to tell him that pulling her top off without consent would be sexual assault . I also kept an eye on him the whole party. He didn’t try anything.

    Wait, what? The woman was the one that suggested sexually assaulting someone, and yet you kept your eye on the guy? Did you leave out some of the context? Because from what you wrote, it sounds like the woman was the dangerous/rapey one. I mean, if she thought it was a good idea for a guy to do that to a woman, what would she think is a good idea for herself to do to men?

  4. Hugh says:

    @Xakudo: Well, I think the fact that the guy didn’t say “What, there’s no way I’d do that, get stuffed” is a bit of a red flag, but yea, sounds like the girl would be worth watching too.

  5. Shora says:

    Ozy, I just want to say that this is an excellent takedown of the rape-prevention discourse and and even more excellent list of ways to combat rape culture. You rock

  6. Jesus_marley says:

    In that situation it seems to me that the woman was playing the instigator role. she wasn’t going to do the deed herself, but she suggested it to someone she thought would do it. Her motivations being anything, but I would lay dollars to donuts that it was some kind of attempt at embarassing a “rival”.

    @Ozy – “The most important subset of Boycott Rapey Shit, in my opinion, is Boycott Media Made By Rapists. Yes, that means that you shouldn’t buy the DVD of Chinatown. My heart bleeds. Where you draw the line about Stuff Made By Rapists is an individual choice– I personally won’t listen to Modest Mouse– but I see no reason why we should be encouraging the careers of rapists, particularly rapists who have experienced no meaningful punishment.”

    It’s strange that you would choose to use Modest Mouse in your example. I read the Wiki link and it would indicate that Isaac Brock was falsely accused. I have to ask you if this was merely an error, or do you believe that an accusation= guilt? I certainly hope it’s the former.

  7. Danny says:

    One woman was flirting with another guy, and another woman suggested to the guy that he should pull her top off.
    Sounds like that guy wasn’t the only one being “That Asshole” Ozy was talking about above.

  8. Suturexself says:

    “One of the most common situations you’re going to get into, as a non-rapist non-rape-survivor person, is someone saying some kind of rapey comment. You know the type. The “she was asking for it”s. The “don’t drop the soap”s. The “women falsely accuse men of rape all the time”s. The “you can’t rape a man”s. The “it’s not rape if you enjoyed it”s. Thankfully, those people are absolutely never original, so you can develop a repertoire of responses. ”

    I agree, these are the kinds of comments we need to watch out for. I keep hearing mention of the evils of “rape jokes”, and how those jokes give rapists social license to operate. To be honest, I don’t think thats true in every case, I think it matters how much the “joke” reflects an actual model which can affect how others act. For example, a joke like “Alcohol is like a cheat code for getting laid!” (acceptable response: Sure, if you’re trying to unlock rapist mode) is problematic because some people actually think its acceptable to get a person drunk or to have sex with drunk people who otherwise wouldn’t fuck them. On the other hand, a joke like “Its not rape if you wear a clown suit”, while tasteless and offensive, doesn’t carry with it the same set of problems, because nobody out there is actually going out and committing clownsuit rape. So while I, having talked about the topic more in depth, wouldnt make either joke, I certainly wouldn’t consider someone making the latter in the same way I’d consider someone making the former.

    I think I remember reading somewhere that people are more likely to admit to sexual assault as long as you keep the R word out of it. A lot of the time, simply bringing up the word rape, and applying it to a situation, will be enough to get everyone to reconsider it.

  9. Mori says:

    This is an excellent article. I have a housemate who was in a relationship with someone who had some of the ‘red flag’ signs, and while I worried about her at the time I never had courage to say much while they were together other than ‘are you ok with him talking to you like that?’ Once they broke up, however, she was confiding in me about how depressed she felt every single day because of her relationship and I realised how bad it must have been. But now it’s looking like they might get back together, and she’s saying all the time: ‘he’s totally changed, he’s a different person!’ Warning signs. If they do get back together I will have a serious talk with her. The thing is, she knows he has ‘issues with women’ because his mother abused him, and abused people can often become abusers themselves. But I hope she doesn’t think this is any kind of acceptable excuse for him treating her badly. If you know someone who has been abused, and they show similar tendencies in their relationships, don’t date them. Be their friend, but don’t get in a relationship with them.

  10. Jesus_marley says:

    @suturexself – “Its not rape if you wear a clown suit”

    (poor humour trigger)

    someone didn’t get the memo…
    http://fullertonstories.com/clown-suit-wearing-rape-suspect-arrested/

  11. Jesus_marley says:

    Damnit! The quoted text above should read “On the other hand, a joke like “Its not rape if you wear a clown suit”, while tasteless and offensive, doesn’t carry with it the same set of problems, because nobody out there is actually going out and committing clownsuit rape.”

  12. @Jesus_Marley:

    I have to ask you if this was merely an error, or do you believe that an accusation= guilt? I certainly hope it’s the former.

    From her previous statements (and the fact that at least one of the other frequent contributors has been actually falsely accused [though thankfully only in the "social" sense]), I don’t think xie falls into that group. At least one blog on the blogroll (one that Ozy has described xierself (I have no idea if I’m spelling that right, nonstandard pronouns are confusing) as a squeeing fangirl of) very adamantly believes “accusation = guilt” though. Xie’ll almost certainly clarify her position though.

    This story actually demonstrates my views on the subject: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/history-shows-rush-judgment-greg-kelly-case-article-1.1013004?localLinksEnabled=false

    Speaking of false allegations, I personally know a woman who threatened false allegations if he pushed to hard or contested the result of a custody hearing. He got “every weekend” with his daughter, and told me he wouldn’t have challenged that anyways because he doesn’t expect it could go better. Now, he just hopes that she’ll actually let him have his daughter for the weekends, because he knows the law won’t enforce custody.

  13. L says:

    Situation: I live with 3 people; a girl and two guys. Guy 1 is typical testosterone-thumping brute that believes “getting laid” cures everything. Guy 2 is a frustrating, stinky, lazy loser asshole that can’t figure out what he wants to do with his life and makes living with him miserable for us. Girl and Guy 1′s solution? Pay a girl to screw Guy 2 at a party, because he’s a virgin and clearly that’s the source of all our woes.

    If they actually do that, I’m printing out this post as a cheatsheet, telling Guy 2 their fuck-right-off plans, and will be strategizing a verbal beat-down for the two of them. Guy 2 sucks as a roommate and as an adult, but I ain’t gonna let this shit happen to him.

    Let’s hope I don’t have to actually recite any of these pointers in the future with these fucking people.

  14. Tom Smekens says:

    L, I love reading your attitude! :o

    I’m sorry to hear your roommates are like that, but indeed, nobody deserves to be sexually exploited…

  15. GudEnuf says:

    Xakudo: I didn’t think the woman suggesting the top-pulling-off would be the one to actually do it.

    Maybe I should have confronted her too. That’s a valid criticism.

  16. Suturexself says:

    @Jesus_Marley : Well, shit. I stand corrected, and disappointed with humanity. That said, I don’t think anyone would actually be of the impression that what this nutjob did was acceptable.

  17. AB says:

    @Schadrach (@Schadrach):

    This story actually demonstrates my views on the subject: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/history-shows-rush-judgment-greg-kelly-case-article-1.1013004?localLinksEnabled=false

    And the 5 comments below demonstrate perfectly why so many people feel the need to stretch the importance of believing people who say they’ve been raped. 1 post about how, despite the article making it sound like the guy has already been declared guilty, most NYers actually think he’s innocent. 2 posts about protecting the identity of the accused until they’ve been declared guilty. And a commenter making 2 posts about how all the “females” who falsely accuse innocent “men” should be given the sentence of a rapist in addition to being fined 10 million + all their current and future wealth, and declaring that since 90% of rapes are dismissed and only half the remaining 10% result in conviction, it means 95% of rape cases are false.

    Contrary to popular opinion, it is actually extremely common for people accused of rape to be considered innocent, and exceedingly common for people reporting a rape to be considered guilty of making false allegations. And this attitude greatly increases the defensiveness, aggressiveness, and fervour of rape victim advocates, who’re frequently a lot more dedicated to changing legal practices. It didn’t come out of nowhere.

  18. ozymandias42 says:

    Jesus_Marley: To me, the Modest Mouse case fits closely enough with the profile of how the cases of some of my survivor friends went down that I am not comfortable listening to the band. It’s essentially a he said/she said case, except that the “he said” in this case has a major platform and the “she said” does not. I personally am uncomfortable with even the chance of my money going to benefit a rapist.

    Schadrach: I usually use “zie”, but xie and any other nonbinary pronoun is perfectly fine. :)

  19. Jesus_marley says:

    @AB – “And the 5 comments below demonstrate perfectly why so many people feel the need to stretch the importance of believing people who say they’ve been raped.”

    There is a big difference between believing someone who claims rape and assuming the guilt of the accused. This has always been a contentious issue for me since i have seen this literally from both sides. On the one hand it is vitally important that we take all claims of rape seriously insofar as each claim is investigated thoroughly. On the other, it is also vitally important, especially with the potential damage an (false) accusation can cause, to protect the identity of the accused until such time as they are convicted. Then, the public’s right to know takes precedence. Perhaps in a truly just society, the accuser would also be “outed” so to speak if the accusation proved to false. Please note here, that I make a distinction between the ideas of falsely accused and wrongly accused where “wrong” implies an actual crime was committed but the wrong person was accused and “false” implies a malicious and premeditated attempt to damage an innocent person.

  20. monkey says:

    “There is a big difference between believing someone who claims rape and assuming the guilt of the accused.”

    I think this is more relevant than people think. There are many cases of men being wrongly convicted of rapes that did occur, but not by them:

    http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Gary_Dotson.php
    http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Ronald_Cotton.php
    http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Walter_Swift.php

    In all of these cases, the woman was raped, and in none of them was the identification of the accused done with malicious intent; each one was simply misidentified. This may happen less nowadays because of DNA evidence, but in theory it could still happen.

    I got in an argument about the Kelly case on Jezebel, but I truly think that suspending judgement on the guilt or innocence of the accused is extremely important, and is by no means rape apologism.

  21. monkey says:

    Oh, and about the Bystander Effect: According to the wikipedia article, the case most commonly associated with the phenomenon (Kitty Genovese) has been essentially debunked. There is very little evidence that over 30 people heard and saw the attack and did nothing.

  22. monkey says:

    Ozy: About the Modest Mouse thing: I know few details about the situation, but I don’t think it’s quite fair to say that he has a “platform” because, well, the reporter asked him and he responded. His response is a little callous, but I don’t blame him for not being charitable towards her.

  23. @Jesus_marley: Well said.

    @Ozy: Sorry, I tried, just got which one you prefer mixed up. Also, screwed up and stuck a “her” in there at one point. I apparently just fail today. =/

  24. Jesus_marley says:

    http://www.seattleweekly.com/2009-04-15/news/the-lie-that-just-happens/

    Here’s an interesting article from April 2009. one of the more disturbing quotes from the article…

    “The most frequently cited major study of unsubstantiated rape charges was published in 1994, when Purdue University sociologist Eugene Kanin looked into sexual-assault reports at a Midwestern police department and determined that 41 percent were false. More recently, the Pentagon’s 2008 report on sexual assault in the military noted that of 2,700 reported sexual assaults, most from women, 39 percent were dropped as unfounded or lacking evidence.

    Last January, the Virginia-based American Prosecutors Research Institute published a report arguing that such studies are based solely on whether or not the initial investigators drop the case, and ought to be independently evaluated. The Institute points to another, ongoing study by the nonprofit End Violence Against Women International, which has been collecting data from eight different U.S. law enforcement agencies since 2005. Of the more than 2,000 cases examined thus far, researchers have classified about 7 percent as false.”

  25. granbee says:

    A post that is extremely needed and extremely valuable! I am so pleased you included that part about telling people not to engage in the act of over-persuasion to get someone into bed! Thank you from the bottom of my heart!

  26. Not Me says:

    @AB “a commenter making 2 posts about how all the “females” who falsely accuse innocent “men” should be given the sentence of a rapist in addition to being fined 10 million +”

    We already have laws to deal with that sort of thing. If it can be proven that someone made false statements for the purpose of harming another, then they can be sued for libel or slander. In some circumstances it’s possible to arrest them for perjury or obstruction of justice as well. So assuming this statement is hyperbole, there’s no “should” about it, this already happens sometimes. It just doesn’t make nearly as big of a news splash.

    Unless the real sentiment is that all rapes which are not proven beyond a reasonable doubt should be considered false accusations, and should be punished worse than the actual crime. This… is not a good idea, to put it mildly. Judging from the results of other countries which have insane laws about major crimes, we could expect to either see an increase in rape (as potential rapists know they can get away with it, since it’s often difficult to prove, so few would risk reporting it) or an increase in murder (as known, suspected, or accused rapists would often get taken out by vigilante action). Maybe even a little of both.

  27. BlackHumor says:

    Ozy, can I say that if you’re going to tell rapists not to rape, maybe you shouldn’t tell off feminists for telling rapists not to rape? Not that I like that phrasing of it, because the whole point of the strategy is that they aren’t “rapists” until they rape someone.

    The other point (or, I guess it’s tied to the last one but more on that in a bit) is that I don’t think not giving monetary support to rapists is any kind of worth it. It’s not like you can boycott rape; the financial success of rapists is utterly unrelated to whether or not they will continue to rape people.

    And besides that it kind of ties into the point I wanted to get at: rapists are not a kind of person, rape is an act that people do. And it’s a nasty thing to do, of course, but it’s not the ONLY thing someone does. Which is why I’m totally for telling rapists not to rape, and I’m also totally for not letting things an artist did reflect badly on their art. (Of course, the flip side of that is that being a great artist doesn’t make you incapable of doing nasty things. I’m looking at you, Polanski.)

  28. ik says:

    “rapists are not a kind of person, rape is an act that people do. ”
    That is unclear. There is evidence that many-most rapists have some level of hostile sexism or entitlement, and the fact that most rapists rape multiple times.

    I actually suspect that even fewer than 6% may be rapists. Study could have false positives, if subtle enough.

  29. Jesus_marley says:

    @Ozy – “To me, the Modest Mouse case fits closely enough with the profile of how the cases of some of my survivor friends went down that I am not comfortable listening to the band. It’s essentially a he said/she said case, except that the “he said” in this case has a major platform and the “she said” does not. I personally am uncomfortable with even the chance of my money going to benefit a rapist.”

    I’m not going to try to convince you to support MM. If you don’t want to listen to them then well, ok. Personally, I never liked their music anyway. What I will do though is say that I think that your friends experiences are causing you to view this, and I would presume, similar cases in an unjust light. I’m not trying to diminish your friends ordeal, but what you are telling me is the mere spectre of blame is enough to alter your perceptions such that you will forever see the accused through rape coloured glasses. Please forgive the harsh phrasing, but when it comes down to it, in the end, that is exactly what a false accusation is meant to do. It alters your perceptions. It plants that seed, it makes you doubt an innocent person long after the accusations have melted away.

    I’m going to stop posting about this for a bit. I’m running the risk of becoming an Ahab….

  30. Geo says:

    I suggest not limiting foci upon “rape” but also include “sexual assault” in looking at what is around us and relevant to these issues. I will bring up an example which you can easily find the “source document” of related to a sexual assault connected with my (U.S.) beloved University of Wisconsin Badgers at The Rose Bowl – December 30-31st, 2011. See:
    http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/893901/2012_Rose_Bowl_Incident_Review.pdf . My friend C in Madison, WI, USA – where the assaulted student and assailant were both from – told me that local media initially at least made No mention of the Gender of the victim. It was: Male Assailant – as many might presume, however virtually no one – would likely presume – as was the case that the victim was Also Male.

    Dealing with Numbers/Percentages: I think that: sexual assault statistics = 44.6% of women and 22.2% of men (4.8% of them – part of this number – were “made to penetrate – which made be double counted if used in Oxy’s rape percentage) – are All people who might be potentially sensitive to insensitive statements of others related to rape (and these people also have partners, siblings, parents, and close friends). I think that the 16.2% of women ant 5.2% of men who have reported having been stalked might feel similarly. I think that the 32.9% of women and 28.2% of men who reported having faced physical violence from an intimate partner as well as the 48.4 % of women and 48.8% of men who reported having faced psychological aggression from an intimate partner might be similarly sensitive. (Note: some of the percentages could not simply be added together because individuals in some cases were victimized in multiple ways.)
    (see: http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf )

    We need to recognize the prevalence of rape – related violence around us. As others have pointed out, we need to be Very, Very Clear that victims include Not Only women and girls, but substantial percentages of men and boys.

    http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf

  31. badandfierce says:

    I know this is a tad bit tangential, but here’s a story. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/dont-be-that-guy-ad-campaign-cuts-vancouver-sex-assaults-by-10-per-cent-in-2011/article2310422/ There is, of course, no proof that the ad campaign had as strong an effect as the headline claims (or any effect at all), but time will tell. And the gendered nature of the program is right there in the name, of course, building into the “rape is something men do to women” narrative. But still. There’s something in telling rapists not to rape. Some rapists are motivated directly by power and malice, but some probably are just rolling with rape culture, and if cued to stop and think, might actually back off. And there’s that lovely side effect of clearly condemning sexual assault. Pathologize rape rather than normalize it and the jerk who brags about eir conquests becomes the pariah.

    You may now return to your prescient and well written discussion.

  32. “Well, they do. As we’ve talked about before, there are usually two ways of talking about rape prevention: the mainstream view, which is that women (who are, of course, the only people raped) ought to avoid rape by not walking alone, getting drunk, wearing short skirts, etc; and the feminist view, which is that we ought to tell rapists not to rape. Both are ineffective in their own ways.”

    This part made me go all lulz so hard when you said “who are, of course, the only people raped”. I think it’s ignorance that makes people believe we women folk are not capable of rape. Hell, I’ve even had the chance to know a guy who was raped by a teenage/adolescent pedophile girl when he was little. And this is the part where fun ends.

    But the last part of the paragraph seemed a bit too shallow unlike the first part with the clothes statement, which is shallow in nature. Feminists don’t just “tell” men not to rape, but are actually telling society to stop teaching the brain-drilled notion that men are uncontrollable animals and it’s okay to drop their leach sometimes and be the animals they were made to be, by teh godz or allah or shit. Let’s say women wouldn’t have to suffer from that social pressure since they are mostly expected to be sexless or naturally sexually submissive, full stop.

    When the rapist thinks society will somehow forgive his/her fault, it just makes it easier. They may even think it might make it easier for the victim as well (have you ever heard of marriage rape?) which makes it even easier than before to commit rape. It’s all just a feeling of apathy toward the consequences.

    And then you have those who think rapists should be killed (either because they’re horrible or because then they might never rape again). Of course, that’s another story.

  33. f. says:

    @Geo, that is a great point about including “sexual assault” in this discussion. The legal definition of rape is being improved, but it is still pretty much a mess as it only includes penetrative acts. There is a LOT of really traumatic shit that isn’t quantified in rape statistics.

  34. @Not Me:

    We already have laws to deal with that sort of thing. If it can be proven that someone made false statements for the purpose of harming another, then they can be sued for libel or slander. In some circumstances it’s possible to arrest them for perjury or obstruction of justice as well. So assuming this statement is hyperbole, there’s no “should” about it, this already happens sometimes. It just doesn’t make nearly as big of a news splash.

    Actually in a lot of jurisdictions, “falsely reporting a crime” or something similar is itself illegal. Unfortunately, the person falsely accused isn’t considered a victim — the police themselves are (the logic being that it’s a crime because it wastes law enforcement resources). The punishment is also usually a fine and generally in the 3 figure range, so along the lines of a few traffic violations. Which *does* seem a bit disproportionate with the harm caused, and they are also not generally vigorously pursued most of the time.

    The problem with pushing libel or slander charges is that the defense will generally start from “Not guilty doesn’t mean innocent” and unless there’s really damning evidence that it was a lie they’ll be safe.

    I also found it interesting that one of the sites on the blogroll pushes the “anyone accused of rape is always a rapist without exception, accusation is guilt” line pretty vigorously, and has also talked about what good work the Innocence Project does. You’d think that would set off someone’s hypocrisy alarm.

  35. JE says:

    The problem with current false reporting laws is that they often don’t differentiate between falsely claiming that a time took place (which is just wasting police time unless a suspect is found) and falsely claiming a specific person did it which should be a serious crime against the person accused

  36. monkey says:

    I’m having two college flashbacks here. I realize that some of the people here were in grade school when these things happened, but bear with me…

    The first hits close to home because there was a reported rape on my university’s campus that turned out to be false. (The woman involved had been with someone other than her boyfriend and panicked when confronted about it). This was different because no one specific was accused, but I’m guessing it made it tough for men who fit the given description. The woman was charged with mischief, which I think was fair, but it did make for an atmosphere of anxiety and fear around campus. I felt both angry and sorry for the woman, although I felt less charitable towards whoever wrote the graffiti “DEAD MEN DON’T RAPE” around campus.

    Much more troubling is a “project” by University Of Maryland students that happened in 1993. I think most people here would agree that this is NOT a way to stop rape:

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1993-05-08/news/1993128032_1_potential-rapists-campus-feminist-art

    Finally, I think what I find most troubling about people’s attitudes towards prison rape is that it is accepted as inevitable, and by some even proper punishment.

  37. Geo says:

    I would note – related to the statistics that I provided, that the survey Did Not include (current) prisoners. I would guess that if they’d been included, all the rates (both male and female) would be higher, though the quantity of prisoners (related to the population as a whole) would make raising the rates substantially unlikely. We should, Of Course, take prison rape and abuse most seriously for all!

  38. AB says:

    @Jesus_marley:

    There is a big difference between believing someone who claims rape and assuming the guilt of the accused.

    Since the commenter concluded that 95% of rapes are false, I don’t think he shares that sentiment. Neither do a lot of other people. I’ve been told before that it is a huge injustice that a man can be acquitted for rape while the person who pressed charges is allowed to go free.

    I think a large part of the hostility towards every potential rapist is fuelled by the tendency to assume everyone who reports a rape is guilty of making a false accusation until proven innocent, just like a lot of the “Rape is the worst crime ever!/Rapists are all monsters!”-rhetoric is a reaction to how often rape is being portrayed as relatively harmless. I stumbled on a message board where people discussed rape victims getting an orgasm doing the event, and the amount of “All women are biologically disposed to be turned on by real men, this is what feminists have been trying to hide from us because they don’t want men to be real men and women to be real women” was truly sickening.

    @Not Me:

    Unless the real sentiment is that all rapes which are not proven beyond a reasonable doubt should be considered false accusations, and should be punished worse than the actual crime. This… is not a good idea, to put it mildly. Judging from the results of other countries which have insane laws about major crimes, we could expect to either see an increase in rape (as potential rapists know they can get away with it, since it’s often difficult to prove, so few would risk reporting it) or an increase in murder (as known, suspected, or accused rapists would often get taken out by vigilante action). Maybe even a little of both.

    Completely agreed.

  39. jesus_marley says:

    @AB – “I’ve been told before that it is a huge injustice that a man can be acquitted for rape while the person who pressed charges is allowed to go free.”

    Well, that’s at least half right. The injustice is when a claim is shown to be false and that accuser goes on with life as if nothing happened. As I have said before there is a world of difference between a a wrongful accusation and a false one. Too often they are lumped together and that is unfortunate as it clouds the issue unnecessarily.

  40. Lamech says:

    I would be very leary of adding charges for lying to the police. We already have enough stupid cases where the police investigate someone and then said person gets charged with obstruction of justice A.K.A. lying to the police A.K.A “this person didn’t remain silent” because really, most people can’t give a perfect account of something they just saw.

    So, yes people who maliciously lie about others to send them to jail should face serious charges, but I strongly suspect that without the utmost care in devising the law it would be abused.

  41. Leo Salloum says:

    As usual, Ozy makes some great points. I think that this post on Pervocracy is a great companion piece to this discussion. Especially the idea that we should “talk about consent.” Though Ozy mentions “be a good influence,” sometimes it can seem as if a good influence is someone who doesn’t do anything bad.

    A real way to influence people (not just children) is to talk about the ways that consent is negotiated between you and your partners. That’s my two cents, at least.

  42. Safor says:

    Now this is not an very likely scenario for most humans, but what if you are responsible for debriefing the victim?
    Like for an example: What if she/he was doing fine until his/her pistol jammed after the third shot and she/he tried to unjam it by pulling the slide backwards (The normal method.) while hitting the back of the slide (In some cases necessary.) would have had the desired effect?

    Where goes the difference between consultative feedback and victim blaming?

  43. Anjasa says:

    I definitely fall into the middle between mainstream and feminist (which isn’t unusual for me.)

    I believe that education is, as always, key. What consent is, how to receive it, how to give it, how to interpret the signs of possible sexual abuse (by either the abuser or the abused) and how to help people find the guidance and support they need (for both the abuser and the abused).

    Rape culture is a very real problem, and people really do need to speak up when people victim blame or make jokes about rape. People continue to do both of these things because they’re not being called on it.

  44. copkiller420 says:

    @Ozy: You have a very narrow view of rape. Your “only 5% of the population are rapists” thing uses the old legal definition which is under revision [and will still be insufficient]. It’s rape if someone’s boundaries were crossed. Simple as that. And if you, as a male and ‘beneficiary’ of sex, did not bother to learn of your partners boundaries, but she didn’t say anything, it’s still rape.

    I also found ““dude, why are you trying to encourage women to wear fewer short skirts? Not cool”” to be super troublesome. ‘Dude, don’t [i]rape[/i] rape. Just objectify [and coerce!]‘

    and “flying into a feminist rage” is really bad too. You’re ‘ironically’ stereotyping feminists as crazy. Just because you label yourself as a feminist doesn’t give you that right. It’s like saying, dude, I’m anti-racist, I can say the n word. Nope.

  45. pocketjacks says:

    @monkey,

    Finally, I think what I find most troubling about people’s attitudes towards prison rape is that it is accepted as inevitable, and by some even proper punishment.

    Seriously. Clear case of cruel and unusual punishment. I know the prison-industrial complex will try and argue that it’s something the prisoners do to each other, but I don’t think you get to draw fine lines between doing something and letting something happen through inaction when you’re the one forcibly holding them. If I drive you to a bombing test site, give you fifteen minutes to run away, and you die – and my only crime was one of inaction, in that I didn’t offer you a ride in my getaway car – that’s still murder.

    @Jesus_marley,

    Perhaps in a truly just society, the accuser would also be “outed” so to speak if the accusation proved to false. Please note here, that I make a distinction between the ideas of falsely accused and wrongly accused where “wrong” implies an actual crime was committed but the wrong person was accused and “false” implies a malicious and premeditated attempt to damage an innocent person.

    Isn’t this already how it is, though? If it seems like the complainant lied maliciously, then he or she can then be accused, charged, and tried on those grounds. I know it’s unofficial US media policy to never publish the names of alleged rape victims. (A policy I agree with.) I don’t think this extends to if the former complainant was then counter-tried on grounds of perjury and injurious slander, and the courts deemed that they had enough of a case for this new case to go to trial. (If it does, then that’s fucked up, but I doubt it.) There’s a moral hazard here

    I don’t agree, as I’m sure you don’t, with the idea that the complainant’s name be released if the defendant is acquitted, an idea popularized by the Duke lacrosse case. First of all, the blackout on victims’ names is a policy of the press, not the US government. You can’t tell the press what to print or not print, that’s First Amendment 101. Second, even if it was a government policy the government can’t decide to punish anyone unless it actually charges them with a crime and gives them a hearing first.

    @Lamech,

    I would be very leary of adding charges for lying to the police. We already have enough stupid cases where the police investigate someone and then said person gets charged with obstruction of justice A.K.A. lying to the police A.K.A “this person didn’t remain silent” because really, most people can’t give a perfect account of something they just saw.

    So, yes people who maliciously lie about others to send them to jail should face serious charges, but I strongly suspect that without the utmost care in devising the law it would be abused.

    Agreed completely.

    @copkiller420,

    It’s hard to pick out a single mistake from your post, when it consists of nothing but mistakes. But here’s one for starters, Ozymandias is a woman, not a “male”.

  46. Fnord says:

    “I know the prison-industrial complex will try and argue that it’s something the prisoners do to each other”
    Except when it’s the prison staff, of course, as it often is (also, what you said).

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