Pictures of Real Penises, Breasts

(Trans people, I am totally ignoring y’all for the purposes of this post. Sorry. But the way gender dysphoria makes people dislike their bodies is, while related, different enough that it really deserves its own post.)

The average person has no idea of what a penis looks like.

I mean, think about it. Let’s take a cis gay dude, who probably has the most possible opportunities to look at cocks. What penes does he see? His own, of course. Those of his perhaps half a dozen or a dozen sex partners. Flaccid penes in locker rooms and bathrooms. That’s hardly what one would call a scientific sample.

The situation is even worse for other groups. Lesbians could theoretically go through their entire lives without seeing a cock.

Of course, there is one opportunity the average person has to look at cocks: porn. Of course, this corrects for all the problems one might have with small sample sizes, since porn has always been known for its commitment to diversity and honoring a wide swathe of bodies as attractive, especially those that belong to the average person as opposed to idealized paragons of masculinity.

Oh, wait. That is the exact opposite of true.

Porn tends to depict men with a certain kind of penis. Large and girthy, of course: seven inch dicks, which are very large in real life, are about average in Porn Land. But in other ways porn tends to select for penes that the male viewer would find aesthetically pleasing. Evenly colored cocks that don’t (for example) get purple when hard. Cocks without a significant curve. In short, cocks that lack the glorious diversity of cocks in the real world.

Now, that wouldn’t be a problem if porn was solely an aid to masturbation: whatever works for you, works for you, and it’s rude in the extreme to knock other people’s sex fantasies. However, many people (especially teen boys) get their ideas of how sex works from porn. If porn is pushing the idea of the one perfect cock that’s the only one that can truly satisfy a woman, and most men (as they do) have penes that, however wonderful, are not the One Perfect Cock…

Well. You get a lot of people with insecurities about their dicks.

Women have the exact same problem, of course. How often do women see naked women that aren’t Photoshopped all to hell? Not nearly enough. And so Faye feels bad because her breasts are asymmetrical, and Dora feels bad because her nipples are brown, and Marigold feels bad because she has an A cup, and Cosette feels bad because she has an E cup, and Tai feels bad because her boobs sag, and everyone ends up hating their fucking breasts because they don’t look like the creations of a graphic designer in Photoshop.

Fortunately, we have the Internet.

This is a gallery of what actual cocks look like. This is a gallery of what actual boobs look like.

The thing that struck me about the cocks was how small they looked. This is particularly puzzling, because I know I’ve fucked dudes with similarly-sized cocks and they were sure as hell substantial in real life. I can only conclude that porn has skewed my idea of what a normal cock looks like. I can only imagine the effect on a guy!

But as I paged through the boobs and the penes, the thing that struck me even more than that is that people are different. There are no two cocks that look the same; there are no two boobs that look the same. They’re different colors, different shapes, different sizes. It’s marvelous. Your penis is normal, your breasts are normal, because the only thing all our bodies– yes, even Adriana Lima’s and James Deen’s– have in common is being weird.

Dean Spade, in his essay on polyamory, says:

Sometimes while I ride the subway I try to look at each person and imagine what they look like to someone who is totally in love with them. I think everyone has had someone look at them that way, whether it was a lover, or a parent, or a friend, whether they know it or not. It’s a wonderful thing, to look at someone to whom I would never be attracted and think about what looking at them feels like to someone who is devouring every part of their image, who has invisible strings that are connected to this person tied to every part of their body.

I think that that exercise is even more fun with the array of breasts and penes. Because if you look at them for long enough, none of those penes or breasts are ugly. None of them are gross or hideous or terrible. They’re body parts, just like any other body part, and in the right light and attached to the right person they’d be beautiful.

And you know what? That goes for you, too. Your breasts are beautiful. Your penis is beautiful. Just the way it is.

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70 Responses to Pictures of Real Penises, Breasts

  1. Barrhaven Blogger says:

    I would just like to say that I approve wholeheartedly of using the girls from QC in your example, even if the problems don’t match up with the characters.

  2. LabRat says:

    And what about Sara’s breasts? Does she not hate hers because she was eaten by an allosaurus?

  3. Ramesses says:

    Not everyone hates their breasts. I’m pretty sure Padma says hers have been amazing since 14.

  4. amanda says:

    I think you might have Marigold and Cosette reversed?

  5. f. says:

    Who writes the commentary on that penis site? It’s just amazing. Everything about it is amazing.

    Also, boobs may be important but let’s not forget the vulvas! http://www.channel4embarrassingillnesses.com/galleries/vulva-gallery?image=577 [nsfw obviously]

  6. 1) I thought I was the only person who read QC.
    2)

    Big doesn’t equal beautiful. Big is just big. Hard is just hard.

    Fast forward a couple years. I was laying in bed with my (now) wife after sex. The lights were on. I was laying on my back, overheated, like I am after sex, and she was laying over towards me, her head on my chest. Her hand was holding my penis – I could feel her tossing the weight of my half-erect penis around in her hand. Her head was angled down towards it as she played with it.

    “I love your penis,” she said.

    And for the first time in my life, I felt like my penis was beautiful.

    http://easilyenthused.blogspot.com/2011/07/my-penis-and-this-post.html

    You are so, so right. It is the love of other people that make for “beautiful” bodies, Ozy. You are wise beyond your years.

  7. Ramesses says:

    1) I thought I was the only person who read QC.

    Well, if Jeph is able to make a living from the site + merch that obviously can’t be true. Then again, he lives in Easthampton and the only people who live there are people who aren’t bringing in enough dough to live in Northampton.

  8. debaser71 says:

    I think a better comparison would be penis with vulva. And man chest with female chest.

  9. noahbrand says:

    I’ve got to admit, the penis site opened my eyes, and I’m supposedly all enlightened and shit. Going through their actually representative sample of gents and their junk really helped me with some of my own unspoken insecurities.

    And echoing Easily Enthused, I think I’ve mentioned before on here that I was stunned speechless the first time one of my lovers told me I have a beautiful cock.

  10. Ginkgo says:

    “Those of his perhaps half a dozen or a dozen sex partners. ”

    Ha ha, Ozy – that’s a mistake only a woman, or maybe a straight man, would make. Half a dozen or a dozen partners is one evening at a bath house. That’s like, nothing.

    “Porn tends to depict men with a certain kind of penis.’

    A certain kind of porn does. Other kinds depict other kinds. There is porn that specifically showcases smaller-endowed guys, porn that showcases plump guys with slender women, and the plump guys often look smaller-endowed. And this is true even in very mainstream straight porn – some is aimed at averagesized guys to let them feel big by comparison. In short (tee hee) there is a rather broad range of the penises shown in porn.

  11. f. says:

    @ EE and Noah: awww!

    I’ll never forget talking to my bf about his cock and him shyly theorizing that it must be attractive because he’s rarely had a sex partner who didn’t want to give him a blowjob. Adorable, and at the same time, how did all his previous partners somehow not give him any actual compliments.

  12. Orangeban says:

    Before viewing that penis gallery, I’d never seen a circumsised penis. I’m from the UK, where it’s not as common in the US (I think) but it still came as a surprise, they look so different!

    And that gallery lifted a weight from my mind, really cleared up a lot of insecurities. Thanks you so very much for introducing me to it.

  13. ozymandias42 says:

    Gingko: All right, SOME gay men might have seen enough for a proper simple random sample of what dicks look like… 🙂

    debaser: Yes, I did think of that, but I didn’t want to have a 2-to-1 ratio in favor of women’s issues on a men’s issues blog, and there are really no good websites about men’s chests. 😦 As my friend Summer said while looking for one, “breast gallery gets you women, male nipple gallery gets you piercings, and male breast gallery gets you gynecomastia.”

  14. Levi Ramsey says:

    @ozy: pec gallery?

  15. Amanda says:

    And, still, no one even tries to allege that the female genitalia is good to look at. Breasts are comparable to penises, apparently. Those fiddly weird, ugly lady parts! >_>

  16. Levi, only if yall promise to include Iggy Pop. Equal time for old peeps!

    His lovely self is currently my screen saver. And like he said, he’s only FIVE FOOT ONE!

    Actually this thread made me think of that:

    And I wish life could be
    Swedish magazines
    I wish life could be
    Swedish magazines

    (I think he was referring to naked people, since that song is pre-internet.)

    Fascinating websites and great comments.

  17. Amanda, I knew a biker who collected pictures of vulvas. From porn, magazines and photos he took with his Polaroid. He had all skin and hair colors, as well hair and not, all sizes, you name it… He um, really LIKED his collection. He offered to show it to everybody, but if you went “Ew!” (note: I didn’t) then he wouldn’t mention it again. But he acted like it was, oh, photos of sunsets or something, and seemed to think everyone would think they were as great as he did.

    I saw maybe a dozen that he had laying on a desk once, and I said, um, who are they? (laughing) and he told me he had thousands. There was then a pause, and I know he wanted to ask me to pose, since he then mentioned it was so difficult to find natural blondes. I considered this briefly, in the interests of science of course. But I was married at that time (however badly) and that wouldn’t have been good at ALL.

    I liked him, actually, so I never thought this was terribly misogynist. He was also very nice and friendly to women and I never saw the least bit of disrespect. (One of those experiences that made me reevaluate the feminist analysis of porn.)

  18. Ginkgo says:

    “debaser: Yes, I did think of that, but I didn’t want to have a 2-to-1 ratio in favor of women’s issues on a men’s issues blog, and there are really no good websites about men’s chests.”

    Ozy, I just noticed this today. I was commenting somewhere else that men’s chests are as sexualized in modern society as women’s and that they are ubiquitous in advertizing and media, and rather more fully exposed, and that this was not something new – that back in the 50s and early 60s there had been bare hairy chests in all the cowboys shows, all the time – only poor hairless Clint Eastwood was exempt. When I went to find that luscious picture of Clint Walker in the wiki on him they had changed out the picture 😦 – as can happen. Things changed in the 70s when it was all Dustin Hoffman and Alan Alda, but now things have come full circle. Think of Daniel Craig coming up out of the water on Casino Royal. Hotter by any standard than Venus On the Halfshell.

  19. Danny says:

    Amanda:
    And, still, no one even tries to allege that the female genitalia is good to look at. Breasts are comparable to penises, apparently. Those fiddly weird, ugly lady parts!
    True but look on bright side. How many people have called your genitals a dangerous weapon?

    Now, that wouldn’t be a problem if porn was solely an aid to masturbation: whatever works for you, works for you, and it’s rude in the extreme to knock other people’s sex fantasies. However, many people (especially teen boys) get their ideas of how sex works from porn. If porn is pushing the idea of the one perfect cock that’s the only one that can truly satisfy a woman, and most men (as they do) have penes that, however wonderful, are not the One Perfect Cock…
    And ugly cycle can develop if you think about it. Show them images of The Perfect Cock They Will Never Have having sex with women they will never have sex with because they don’t have The Perfect Cock. They masturbate to them because they will never have sex with women because they don’t have The Perfect Cock.

    Now you’re probably thinking, “But of course there are women out there that will have sex with them and don’t care about some Perfect Cock.”.

    Well its not that easy. As with any self esteem issue its real hard to believe that you aren’t the woefully inadequate person (or body part) you think you are.

    And I think what really complicates this matter is that with genitals being such an intimate thing (because even someone with a highly active sex life with multiple partners is still only exposing their bits to a fraction of the people who see, say their face) meaning not a lot of people see them meaning not much room for commentary in the first place, positive or negative.

    So that guy who is masturbating to porn thinking his penis is inadequate and the woman hating her labia are ugly and not wanting a guy to look at them even when having sex can easily trapped in a really dark place…

  20. Erl says:

    Gingko: All right, SOME gay men might have seen enough for a proper simple random sample of what dicks look like…

    Gotta push back on that one. Two key points:

    1) A substantial majority of gay men have no more partners than straight men, or straight women. It is only a small minority of gay men who participate in bathhouse or similar cultures. (See: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/gay-sex-vs-straight-sex/)

    2) Bathhouses, even for those men who frequent them, are nothing like a proper simple random sample. Taking the reasonable hypothesis that “gay men have feelings and insecurities,” it seems extremely plausible that someone’s willingness to attend and participate in bathhouses is highly correlated to the similarity between their body and the bathhouse culture’s ideal body; in turn, this probably encourages these men to be atypical in a lot of ways. Now, I can’t speak to what sort of penes are considered most desirable in bathhouse culture, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find that “longer than average” is an important feature.

  21. Ramesses says:

    I was watching New Girl on Hulu the other night (judge away, I think Zooey Deschanel is dreamy) and Jess walks in on Nick as he’s looking at his naked penis in a mirror before a hot date and says, “it is what it is.” I think that’s about as positive as it gets for most guys without a porn star cock. Unfortunately Jess’s reaction is to laugh uncontrollably, every guy’s worst nightmare.

    As for male chests, that reminds me of the WWE billboard in Orlando that was “censored.” Why is it whenever men and women are treated more “equal” it’s in the wrong direction?

  22. ozymandias42 says:

    Amanda: I have to say vaginas are AWESOME. No one should feel shitty about their vaginas! Every vagina is beautiful! But like I said above, I didn’t want a double helping of women’s issues and there are no good websites about men’s chests.

    Erl: I think some of that might be a generational issue. AIDS has changed a lot of stuff, after all.

  23. Hannah says:

    Those galleries are great. The boob one was interesting because I haven’t seen many breasts outside of porn, and it’s a nice way to remind myself that all breasts are beautiful/different, even in mine are small and hers are big. There’s more to it than that, and it’s stupid to wish for bigger ones. Although I’m pretty happy-ish with my body now, I really could have used that site a few years ago.
    And the penis one was cool, just because I don’t get to see nearly enough penises (heh) and they really are cool. Really quite amazing, although I’ve found that if I tell friends I think penises are beautiful/cool/whatever, they (men and women) immediately tell me I’m wrong and that penises are ugly. I think that has more to do with the stigma around genitals of either gender than with the actual reality of penises, same as when people claim women’s genitals are ugly.

  24. gwallan says:

    Penis puppetry

    One of my country’s finest exports. Worth a visit for the music alone.

  25. valeriekeefe says:

    2 Quick Points:

    Yes, my breasts and my penis are beautiful, and estrogen has done wonders for them both, and neither of them are talismans of my gender… well, okay, maybe the bewbs, but I’ve had some cleavage since about the age of 13.

    Ozy, last I heard, you use zie as a pronoun… one of us. :3 You might be cissexual, or might not be, or might be dickering over price or wondering what doctor would ever-so-slightly tweak things instead of filling you full of dread testosterone, or something else, not my place to pry, but you’re definitely on the trans spectrum by any inclusive definition.

  26. Feckless says:

    Some thoughts on penes, keep in mind that I did not look at the galery due to *uhm* work. There is a difference between flesh and blood penis. Grower and shower if you will. If that galery did show non errect penises obviously the blood / grower penises will look quite small. When errect on average size is usually the same.

  27. AB says:

    @ozymandias42:

    Amanda: I have to say vaginas are AWESOME. No one should feel shitty about their vaginas! Every vagina is beautiful! But like I said above, I didn’t want a double helping of women’s issues and there are no good websites about men’s chests.

    Wouldn’t it still be more fitting to put vulvas in contrast to penises? Especially since female breasts are usually depicted as objects of desire (even though usually only a certain types of them) while female genitals are more often described as ugly and gross. One the jokes I heard boys tell in school was “Why do women have legs? Because if they didn’t, they’d leave a slimy trail behind them like snails when they move”.

  28. Flyingkal says:

    AB:
    Being a boy, I’ve still probably heard more gross-and-ugly jokes about male genitalia told hanging around girls, than vice versa being in my boys-only clubs.
    But whatever. The question’s already been answered. Twice.
    Also, thank you for negating the whole purpose of the post by telling that “joke” of yours.

    None of them are gross or hideous or terrible. They’re body parts, just like any other body part, and in the right light and attached to the right person they’d be beautiful.

  29. Improbable Joe says:

    My impression:

    Mostly a cross between gross and goofy, and the occasional pair of breasts that generated a mildly positive “huh”, but the whole thing is sort of creepy. Seen enough boobs and dicks in my life, between porn and partners and being in the Marines. There’s an element of overkill because of the sheer volume… disembodied parts, clinical detachment, and a lurking sense of dread.

    Sort of a website version of the films of David Cronenberg.

  30. AB says:

    @Flyingkal:

    Being a boy, I’ve still probably heard more gross-and-ugly jokes about male genitalia told hanging around girls, than vice versa being in my boys-only clubs.
    But whatever. The question’s already been answered. Twice.

    Those answers presumed that it was necessary to bring up female breasts in the first place, and that this meant there wasn’t room for mentioning female genitals. I was saying that imo, talking about female genitals in comparison with male genitals had more relevance than talking about female breasts in comparison with male genitals, since female breasts=genitals happens to be a pet peeve of mine.

    Also, thank you for negating the whole purpose of the post by telling that “joke” of yours.

    It wasn’t my joke, it was one of the jokes about women I grew up hearing (not that it’s a very good joke, but the others that spring to mind are more racist) as an example of female genitalia being described as gross and disgusting.

  31. The_L says:

    The comments on that “pictures of vulvas” page made me sad. Most of them were along the lines of:

    “I am a teenage girl and I have huge labia. Is this normal/can I get surgery to fix it?”

    YOUR LABIA ARE FINE, GIRLS. THEY DO NOT NEED “FIXING.”

  32. Ramesses says:

    And, still, no one even tries to allege that the female genitalia is good to look at. Breasts are comparable to penises, apparently. Those fiddly weird, ugly lady parts!

    I like looking at lady parts and they’re definitely not weird or ugly. While fiddly in the “detailed” sense of the word, they’re only complicated when the owner (out of shyness or cultural inculcation or what have you) doesn’t provide operating instructions and leaves me to guess at proper care, use, and maintenance.

  33. debaser71 says:

    This notion that female genitalia is gross and disgusting is only something I hear about in feminists circles. All the men I know simply love “pussy”. Here’s a “joke” describing what I mean…Why is a pussy shaped like a taco? Because it’s meant to be eaten.

  34. Flyingkal says:

    @AB:

    I was saying that imo, talking about female genitals in comparison with male genitals had more relevance than talking about female breasts in comparison with male genitals, since female breasts=genitals happens to be a pet peeve of mine.

    I can understand that peeve part, since I’ve heard it being discussed a lot of times.
    But I believe that the comparison was made in a visual and not in a functional PoV this time.

    It wasn’t my joke, it was one of the jokes about women I grew up hearing

    And that makes a difference for the subject of this thread, how?

  35. Velah says:

    Thank you for such an amazing post, Ozy and for the links, they were very eye opening. 🙂

  36. Ginkgo says:

    @Erl
    “it seems extremely plausible that someone’s willingness to attend and participate in bathhouses is highly correlated to the similarity between their body and the bathhouse culture’s ideal body; in turn, this probably encourages these men to be atypical in a lot of ways. ”

    Yes but since bathhouses and their cultures vary pretty substantially – there are bearish, blue-collar bathouses for instance – you get something like the full range anyway.

    That okcupid bit was not very convincing. Any study that lumps all gays in together is not going to be very convincing. Any study that relies on self-reporting is going to be a lot less than convincing anyway.

  37. BlackHumor says:

    @Gingko: Wait, wut? You are aware most (vastly most) gay men don’t participate in bathhouse culture, right?

    Maybe it was different in the old days when the only out gay men were the ones who were really into gay culture, but nowadays gay people look, statistically, essentially the same as a random subset of straight people.

  38. AB says:

    @Flyingkal:

    I can understand that peeve part, since I’ve heard it being discussed a lot of times.
    But I believe that the comparison was made in a visual and not in a functional PoV this time.

    Vulvae are subject to a lot more stereotypes about being inherently gross and ugly than breasts are. I’ve heard a lot more guys express appreciation for my breasts than my vulva. In fact, I haven’t heard a single guy express appreciation for my vulva. Granted, there are a lot fewer guys who’ve seen my vulva than my breasts, and it’s easier to compliment the latter even when they’re covered, but I find the idea that a guy could love that part of me and find it sexy every bit as unthinkable as it seems men find the thought of someone liking their penis.

    And that makes a difference for the subject of this thread, how?.

    Because bringing up an example of intolerance and demeaning language is not the same as expressing intolerance or demeaning others. If you wanted me to put a trigger warning on it first, I’ll agree it’s fair, but I can’t see what’s wrong with just talking about these things.

    The problem arises when the personal testimony is encouraging bigotry and sexism. It wasn’t a good article by any means, but it’s magnified by often its supporters agree that the things the article complains about when done to men are completely OK, even desirable, when done to women.

  39. debaser71 says:

    In my world of american(ized) adult intellectual secular men, we all love the vulva…there’s jokes about it too. (I have a comment in moderation with one in it). The only place where I see female genitalia being described as gross and disgusting is on feminist web sites.

  40. Jay Generally says:

    @ AB

    Probably NSFW. What I Love About You- Get Set Go

    I personal favorite for me and the missus. It’s very tongue in cheek and all, plus there’s a possible arguement about the objectification of women in there, but I sing it to her unabashedly and unironically all the time.

  41. ozymandias42 says:

    Guys who hate vulva do exist: usually they’re rather young and learn better when they’re older, in my experience. However, that’s a bit late for some women, who are still very “my pussy is gross :(” because of the early “ewwww, gross and slimy” experience.

  42. debaser71 says:

    Not that I think guys who hate vulva don’t exist, I’m just skeptical of that claim being applied too broadly. The reason is that the last time I remember this blog talking about vulva was when a woman on another blog was saying how when her boyfriends don’t want to have period sex or go down on her it means they think the vulva is disgusting. So are these “vulva hating men” more about not having period sex and not wanting to go down on a woman? If not then I genuinely don’t know what “young guys” you are talking about. (Granted I know some young boys (like age 7) go through a phase were “girls are gross”…I never did though).

    And as far as women having their own issues independent of what they think men think, I can appreciate that. Also Ozy, there’s is a boy version of “gross and slimy” too. Do you know what it’s like for a boy to ejaculate for the first time? And remember there aren’t pamphlets and school health handouts (like girls got) and t.v. commercials about this (at least when I was in school). So some boys are completely unprepared for it.

  43. Jay Generally says:

    So, I have a story very pertinent to this thread that I’ve been trying to find the least “I’m a big freak!” version to tell. I mean, I am a big freak, but the point is the anecdote, not me.

    I thought I was small. I think my exact words, “I mean, I’m smaller than like half of the d*cks I see in porn.” My therapist asked me if she could share some of my concerns with my mother, this was one them. She asked the man who would later become my adoptive father to talk to me. Rather than comment on what my size was or wasn’t he told me a couple of jokes about the futility of obsessing over it and advised that if it was long enough to reach what I was aiming it for, then there were no problems, medically speaking. I assumed he was dodging the issue to spare my feelings.

    I spoke with the girl who was enaging in oral with me and she laughed about it. She told me that I was bigger than her boyfriend (who was older and physically larger than I was.) I assumed the size of her boyfriend might be why she was polyamorous.

    Over the years I came to accept, after being exposing to several more realistic average sizes that hey, I was not only not small but I was even a little above average. Speaking to my wife about it, she said that taking my measurement, subtracting an average measurement, and then going ‘huh. There’s only little difference there; plus, I’ve heard much higher numbers,’ didn’t mean I was some kind of C + size that she was settling for. She took a mold, made a chocolate replica of my peen, and made me deal with said replica orally while pointing out that I hadn’t even managed to keep a rager during the replica making process. It was a bit difficult for me.

    So, really, all kink aside, it was an incredibly enlightening episode. It taught me quite a bit of empathy for my partners and how, in selling myself (ahem) short, I was selling them short too. If you can’t have a sense of pride in yourself, then you can aslo be insulting your partner at times.

    Tl;dr- Before you get obsessed with size, try it on for size.

  44. Medium Dave says:

    Guys who hate vulva do exist…

    Folks who read Sadly, No or Obsidian Wings might remember this famous example from 2007. (I’m pretty sure that this “Ace of Spades” guy isn’t a feminist. 😀 )

  45. Danny says:

    debaser:
    And as far as women having their own issues independent of what they think men think, I can appreciate that. Also Ozy, there’s is a boy version of “gross and slimy” too. Do you know what it’s like for a boy to ejaculate for the first time? And remember there aren’t pamphlets and school health handouts (like girls got) and t.v. commercials about this (at least when I was in school). So some boys are completely unprepared for it.
    Ain’t that truth. Jumping up in the middle of the night to change night clothes not knowing what ejaculate was. Hiding erections so people don’t laugh at you (despite always hearing that its supposedly all about the boner). That gives me an idea.

  46. Jay Generally says:

    I remember crying the first time I woke up to find actual ejaculate in my underwear. It felt like someone slamming the door behind me after stepping into a new prison cell. Sad.

  47. Improbable Joe says:

    @Jay:

    Seriously? I remember my first “wet dream”, panicking like crazy, and maybe a couple of tears, but that’s because I had wet the bed when I was a kid and then beaten severely for it. I was deathly afraid of the dark and couldn’t bring myself to get up with the lights out. After the beating I was forced to sleep on the floor for the rest of the night…

    … damn, no wonder I don’t remember anything of my childhood. Who would want to remember that?
    Anyways, my first nocturnal emission provoked sort of a flashback to that.

  48. jnakabb says:

    Vulvas ? Yum !
    Vaginas ? Fun !
    Breasts ? Fun, and stereo, even !
    Penes ? Fun to play with (mine is anyway – which may be why I’ve never had the inconvenience of a wet dream).

    Lots of beauty there, thanks Ozy.

    As I grow older (and admittedly, more confident in myself), I see potential and recognise more and more beauty around me.

  49. Paul says:

    “And as far as women having their own issues independent of what they think men think, I can appreciate that. Also Ozy, there’s is a boy version of “gross and slimy” too. Do you know what it’s like for a boy to ejaculate for the first time? And remember there aren’t pamphlets and school health handouts (like girls got) and t.v. commercials about this (at least when I was in school). So some boys are completely unprepared for it.”

    Oh good lord, this. Also, on the topic of “gross and slimy” (TMI WARNING!) try having an un-circ’d penis and hearing horror stories about how they were “harder to keep clean” then spending upwards of twenty minutes in the shower just scrubbing your groin because you’re paranoid the damn thing’s going to turn gangrene, or at the very least smell fricking horrible.

  50. f. says:

    @Jay, lol at your wife’s method of demonstrating that your penis is big enough – what an object lesson!

    I was just wondering, even though this is a far future scenario for me, does anyone have a few suggestions for how to make sure a male-bodied kid would be a little less uncomfortable with the whole wet dream thing? So far, I’ve made a mental note to make sure any future son of mine knows that masturbation is private but not dirty; knows that at some point stuff will shoot out of his penis and that it isn’t unhealthy or bad; has access to fresh sheets and towels in a hall closet or w/e whenever he needs them; is accustomed to tossing his own bedding in the washing machine and thus doesn’t feel like it is OMG SO OBVIOUS WHAT’S GOING ON when he has to do a little cleanup once in a while. Oh yeah and within reason, no policing on stuff like taking long showers… Basically provide the things and privileges he needs to handle ejaculation and the resulting “mess” on his own terms? What would you do?

  51. SpudTater says:

    I can see why Ozy compared penises to breasts; they’re both body parts that people are stereotypically insecure about the size/shape of. The comments about negative feelings about vulvas have taken me slightly by surprise — I didn’t realise this was a problem. Consider my eyes opened!

  52. Jay Generally says:

    @ f
    Some of them long showers get especially long tho. I’m not made of hot water! 😀

    My oldest is 11 now, and the list of things I have to tell him seems to get longer every day. I’ve just started making him use deoderant. My boys have bunk beds and keep crawling into one bed together. It’s fine, sweet even. But er… I’ve warned my oldest about some of the consequences of puberty but how do you go:
    “Son, uh, remember that talk we had about wet dreams?”
    “Yeah.”
    “Well, you seem to have failed to connect a couple of dots, buddy. I’d rather not have you accidentally sharking your little brother.”
    Sharking
    I laugh but I don’t know if I’m having overprotective concerns or valid ones. Do I pull a ‘break it up, youse mugs,’ and set boundaries without explanations? Set boundaries with explanations? Or not set boundaries because I’d be making a big deal out of something that wouldn’t be a big deal if I didn’t make a big deal out of it. I had a little brother, but him being six years my junior he was more likely to sneak into bed with our mom than me at that age. Honestly, a conversation needs to be with the younger son, even more than the older. It seems like as good an excuse as any to make the two of them start respecting each other’s boundaries a bit more…

  53. Schala says:

    @Jay

    I never used deodorant really.

    I bought some once, decided it was useless, and never bought any more.

    Do note that my armpits have ALWAYS been hairless, since forever, something about 1% of adults have.

  54. @Schala

    My boy is coming into his musk early and people at school are shaming him for it. My wife actually got a call from the school case worker about his smell.

    In their defense, my son is, ah, not concerned about his own appearance. He has to wear a school uniform, and frequently runs through his uniforms faster than he is supposed to because he breaks the house rules about not changing into school pants and shirts on the weekends or after school. Rather than admit that he goofed and has run out of clean uniforms, he’s not above going through the laundry and putting on a dirty uniform. We’re trying to be more diligent about checking his closet every day.

    My son has Asperger Symdome and it is severe. He was thought to be autistic at first, and then the diagnoses was modified later. He was so unresponsive as a baby my wife and his grandmother thought he might be deaf, as it runs in their family. He just does not care about his appearance or his hygeine; they are absolute non-issues for him. So when I say I’m making him wear deoderant I am, sadly, kind of twisting his arm.

  55. Schala says:

    I probably am Asperger too, and didn’t think much of regularly bathing at some point, unless I was noticeably (to myself) dirty or smelling bad (to my credit, I don’t smell much even when doing exercise). So I wasn’t above going 3 to 7 days without a bath, though my normal schedule would be every other day, I’ve been depressed on top, so I tend to care much less then.

    Since living with my boyfriend, he succeeded in making me bath and wash my teeth daily, without much thought besides asking me to. I need this kind of structure, this kind of gentle kick in the butt, or I won’t do much, even of things I’m supposed to do like pay bills, buy food and clean house.

    I’m so glad I couldn’t possibly have kids.

    Oh and I still wash my hair once or twice a month, given it’s not needed to do more and it saves money and is even more healthy-looking than daily-washed hair could be. If it gives me a pass to be lazy too, that’s a bonus. I do love my hair though.

    I got told by a local society for autism that High-functioning Autism and Asperger are two different things, with Asperger not having language issues and HFA not seeking much relationships, including friendship (while Aspie is more about being generally unable to get them, but still wanting them generally, being affectionate and such).

    I’m not that certain there needs to be that sharp a distinction. Between finding friendship’s rituals (gifts on birthdays and Christmas, sending cards, hanging out often, giving news of yourself…) and making small talk boring, nonsensical, useless, needlessly mandatory, versus not even taking interest in knowing even that, there isn’t much of a functional difference.

    I have a couple online friends, some from a long time ago, that I will often go months or years without giving any life sign. It’s not because I don’t like them either.

    Next thing we know, DSM-V will say all Asperger syndrome people are HFA and eliminate the distinction.

    And Jay, one last thing, you know that the yellow stains the new deodorants are supposed to “eliminate” are caused by deodorants themselves? Cause I never have had yellow stains, and never used deodorant either.

  56. Stephanie says:

    Wow. I have a hard time believing that 4″ (and under) penises are so prevalent. Almost all the penises on that website are super tiny.

  57. ozymandias says:

    The average penis is about 3.5 inches when flaccid and a little more than 5 inches when erect. So, yeah, penises smaller than four inches are about as common as penises larger than six inches.

  58. Stephanie says:

    Its not that I’m claiming that’s wrong or anything, its just my own personal disbelief based on personal experiences (which clearly does not = fact). The average penis is supposed to be 5 1/2″ – 6″ when erect. But I would think that the majority of penises are this average size, and then very very few are over and below?

    It just sounds weird to me because I’ve only ever heard of a guy with that small of a penis a couple of times in my life (Two, to be exact. Both of these stories were recounted to me from friends who had sex with the guy). Yet I’ve heard of way, way more stories about guys with 6″ or bigger (like 7″, 8″, 9″) penises. And I don’t even mean that I heard this from the guys themselves (because obviously guys will exaggerate about their size), but from guys/girls who have had sex with these guys. Is it possible that these girls/guys are exaggerating? I don’t know, it just sounds weird to me. Personally I’ve only had sex with 2 dudes. One of them had a penis that was about 5 1/2″, and the other close to 7″. It still sounds weird to me that so many guys have a penis that is under 4″.

    (and I know these are not representative samples)

  59. Schala says:

    My penis is and was 4 inches erect, and is considered generally small even if not apparently small enough to be categorized in any way as some sort of anomaly (micropenis is less than 3 inches erect). It’s just pretty small.

  60. Tamen says:

    Stephanie: Aside from the fact that your anecdotes are not a big enough sample to draw any conclusions about the distributions of penis sizes one should also consider that men is not the only one’s which may have motivations to not be honest about penis sizes and also the uncertainity involved in estimated size by sight (perhaps even in dim light) and feel as I presume neither you nor your girlfriends whip out a ruler or measure tape every encounter.

    A female friend I knew used to brag that she could accurately estimate penis sizes of guys by looking at them (mainly their crotches, but also looking at hands and so on). Size were important to her she said. Going by the pictures in the link supplied by the OP one can see that the ratio between flaccid and erect size can vary to a large degree. She had certainly an incentive to “round up” to put it that way in order to maintain her claim. And who were to dispute her.

    Other may care about the guy and add length when asked by girlfriends to avoid talk about him being “short” getting around. Other’s may be vengeful and underreport the size. And so on.

    A quick google search revealed that most studies report a bell curve, but studies relying on self-reported data (like McKinsey) tend to have an average 0.5″ to 1″ longer than studies based on measurements (6.2″ to 5.0″) For instance: H. Wessells, T. F. Lue, J. W. McAninch. (1996). Penile length in the flaccid and erect states: Guidelines for penile augmentation, Journal of Urology, Vol. 156, 995-997.

    I guess that illustrates how fraught this question is…

  61. Flyingkal says:

    I’ve always wondered when, where, and how the average number of 5-6 inch were taken or measured. So thanks for the link 🙂

  62. Schala says:

    Oh note that I have long fingers, what was called a “piano-playing hand” (and it types reasonably fast, too). Has nothing to do with penis size.

    I’ve been told it was pretty long at birth for a newborn. Seems it barely grew since then.

  63. Stephanie says:

    Tamen: Thanks for the source. I wasn’t disputing that its not true, just that it sounds weird to me. Oh well, from now on I’m going to tell anyone that tells me their/their boyfriend’s penis is 8″ long that its probably not.

  64. Pteryxx says:

    “…as I presume neither you nor your girlfriends whip out a ruler or measure tape every encounter.”

    Well, I measure against the length of my hand, because THAT doesn’t change. (The ruler comes later, when things calm down.) >_>

  65. Tamen says:

    Stephanie: The more appropriate answer would probably be: “I don’t really care about his size, unless you’re trying to invite me to a threesome – then it may be relevant.” 🙂

    Seriously, if someone feels the need to assert the size of their boyfriend’s penis they probably have some investment in their claim and a challenge would likely not be well received – especially since a man’s sexual prowess is so tied up with his penis size by the culture at large – it will probably be interpreted as a slight against her boyfriend and evoke a need to defend him.

    (Unless they responds to a direct question from you and then I’d have to say that asking for that threesome directly would be a better idea – why else would that info be of interest to you? 🙂 )

    I’ve seen fist-fights evolve from a challenge to back up penis size claims so be warned 🙂

    Pteryxx: Oh, you wily women 🙂
    but seriously, why are the measurements if his size interesting to you (rather than or in addition to the actual feel)? Is it for bragging rights to friends or something else?

    A friend of mine always estimated the cup size (or checked the bra’s) of his sex-partners – he was a “breast man” and very much of the opinion that bigger were better. But I don’t really understand why it was important for him to know that a certain partner was a double D rather than an E (I won’t bother to translate those cup sizes to US sizes). Women who found out that he had this mental list were often creeped out and I must admit I feel similar about the need to quantify one’s partners penis size in inches or centimeters.

  66. Mysti says:

    Of course in porn most guys are also circumcised leading to the myth that the penis guys are born with is gross!

  67. Pteryxx says:

    “Pteryxx:
    but seriously, why are the measurements if his size interesting to you (rather than or in addition to the actual feel)? Is it for bragging rights to friends or something else?”

    Well, I happen to LIKE penises, and I was curious. It also explained some of the difficulties with anal at the time. (as in, too damn big… I worked my way up but it took most of a year.) Knowing the numbers is sometimes useful in discussing the technical aspects, for instance when someone says “Is this supposed to hurt?” though the more I learn, the less relevant it becomes. But when a discussion turns to “how big is too big” it’s kind of handy to have a bench mark. Oh, and it’s good to know accurate sizing for toy shopping.

    IMHO, there’s no point bragging if it’s just trying to put other folks down, or rank them according to who has a few centimeters on whom. I’m not sure it’s “bragging” when a bunch of guys are comparing notes about their favorite tricks and positions with each others’ equipment; it’s just another factor to take into account. (I like to say big’s good for anal, small’s good for oral, for instance.) Though gay guys seem at least as likely to be obsessed about size as the straight ones are – it’s usually women saying size is overrated.

    As regards your friend the “breast man”… the way I see it, wanting to know the statistics on your partner’s bits CAN just be part of getting familiar with them and enjoying the parts under consideration. It’s the “bigger is better” part that pushes it into creepy land. They’re not batting averages, sheesh.

    “Oh, you wily women…”

    *snrk*

  68. JohnSmith says:

    Sadly the schlong gallery seems to have expired.

  69. noahbrand says:

    Oh thank goodness, erectionphotos.com is back up. Turns out this has been one of our most popular posts, thank you search terms…

    I hope a lot more guys can get a look at the real-penises gallery on there and understand that “normal” covers a wide range.

  70. monkey says:

    I definitely was heartened by seeing this.

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