On Libido, part two

[Full disclosure: I have published portions of this post elsewhere while researching libidos for a different project.]

Having nattered on a bit about cultural conceptions of libido and how it affects men, I wanted to go a little deeper into the deeply broken ideas about women’s libidos that are part of our cultural discourse.

One of the earliest known postclassical joke books is the 15th-century Facetiae of Poggio, in which we find the following anecdote, presented in the painfully stiff English translation:

A woman who was once asked by a man, why, if the pleasure of cohabitation was equal for both sexes, it was generally the men who pursued and importuned the women rather than vice-versa, replied:
“It is a very wise custom that compels the men to take the initiative. For it is certain that we women are always ready for sex; not so you men, however. And we should therefore be soliciting the men in vain, if they happened to be not in the proper condition for it.”
Somewhat later, in the first season of Curb Your Enthusiasm, we find this bit, described thus in the DVD package for those who don’t want to watch the video:

Larry is drifting off when Cheryl asks him, “Why am I the one that always has to initiate sex?” Larry explains that he’s always available, and all Cheryl has to do is tap him on the shoulder. Otherwise, he tells her, “I’ll just be mauling you all the time.”

In other words, it is the exact same joke, but the genders have reversed. (Also, the original version had a perfectly good boner joke, but 21st-century assumptions are forced to omit it. This is not a net gain, from a comedy-writing standpoint.) What the hell happened between the 15th century and the 21st?

Okay, several things happened. But the one we’re concerned with is that women’s libidos went from being considered as powerful or more so than men’s to being essentially erased. Pre-Renaissance examples of horny ladies abound, from the Greeks onward; make your own list, but do include Chaucer. He’s such fun. This change in attitudes appears to have been religiously motivated, and based on the idea that women are more spiritual and sacred than men, meaning less horny. Again, make your own list of contemporary leftovers of this attitude; there are plenty.

By the 18th century, it was taken as read that a woman who did experience (or at least express) sexual desire was suffering from a disorder. One important 1775 study of the subject linked the problem to “secret pollutions”, i.e. wanking, and (I swear I am not making this up) eating too much chocolate. I guess that’d go a ways toward explaining this advertisement. Women were diagnosed with, treated for, and often operated upon for “nymphomania”, the dread condition that causes a woman to want sex. (Talk to your doctor; you may suffer from it yourself!) And yes, by “operated upon”, I mean clitoridectomy. And yes, that’s fucking appalling.

Now, this is not an attempt to draw an equivalency, but I for one can’t help thinking of drapetomania, a disease discovered in the antebellum South which causes slaves to want to escape. It sounds like a tasteless joke now, but back then, it was the subject of serious research. In both cases, we’ve got authority telling people how they’re supposed to live, and then labeling any desire not to live that way as a mental illness. Again, not saying women’s libidos are the same issue as slavery, but there’s a structural analogy between the two “diseases”.

So yeah, this ugly idea that women are the gatekeepers of sex, doling it out carefully as a reward, the entire conception behind “sexual economy” nonsense and most misogynist conceptions of women: made up by the church 400 years ago. Total construction, and a relatively recent one at that. Commence dismantling all worldviews and Cosmopolitan articles predicated on it, please.

Coming up, how the painfully constraining notions of male and female libido interact in the wild, with awful results, in part three.

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18 Responses to On Libido, part two

  1. mythago says:

    Good observations. Part of the pre-Enlightment view was also that men were the intellectual, rational half of the species, whereas women were ruled by baser instincts. I always think back to that line in the Malleus Maleficarum: “All witchcraft springs from carnal lust, which is, in women, insatiable.”

  2. Interesting – I love the 15th century quote! Even being, myself, a woman with a very high libido, I find it difficult to really erase from my mind the deeply, deeply ingrained assumptions about women’s low libido. It doesn’t matter that I’ve read about the many different, often opposite, assumptions in other times and places, and know that our culture’s current understanding is not universal. It doesn’t matter that my personal experience contradicts it, and that that I know many, many men and women who don’t fit the stereotype. It’s really quite amazing how powerful and deep these assumptions can be.

  3. Sam says:

    Do you have a literature list? I read Foucault’s history of sexuality (who doesn’t focus too much on women and their sexuality, in my opinion), and Elaine Pagel’s “Adam, Eve, and the Serpent”, which deals mostly with early Christian attitudes towards sexuality (and doesn’t really answer what is suggested) and I want to read Siri Hustvedt’s book on hysteria, but I’d be grateful for other recommendations!

  4. noahbrand says:

    Nymphomania: a History by Carol Groneman is a good place to start, as she has copious references.

    Or if you just want literary proof that women used to be considered hella horny, you’ve got The Bacchae, Lysistrata (though that one does fit the “gatekeeper” model, it also has the dildo bit), The Canterbury Tales, Ovid’s Metamorphoses, and so on.

  5. Kaija says:

    Marriage, A History by Stephanie Coontz is a scholarly yet readable summary of the evolution of the institution of marriage and what function it was supposed to perform in different eras of history according to religious, political, and social changes. Includes a lot of baggage from the era of St. Augustine that still lingers today.

  6. Sam says:

    Thanks! I’m generally interested in the instituational/social/philosophical/political aspects of sexualtiy, and I think that Foucault’s approach is very useful, but in the first volume of history of sexuality he connects his approach to his earlier work and then focuses mainly on the establishment of the “sexuality”-discourse from the industrial revolution on and doesn’t look at particular sexualities.
    The second and third volume are too self-servingly concentrated on (historically justifying) male homosexuality, in my opinion.

  7. mythago says:

    Although in Lysistrata the woman are suffering as much as the men – it’s definitely not played as ‘women don’t like sex anyway so they just keep it away until the men give in’. A lot of the humor derives from Lysistrata trying to keep the women from losing their resolve.

  8. Brian says:

    Yes; in Lysistrata the reason it’s funny is because it’s a parody of the “gatekeeper” idea. (From before it was ever used seriously, but still.)

    Also, IMO modern comedians who use the same joke are almost always horrible because they use the joke without any notion of why it was ever funny. Women refusing to have sex is not funny.

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  10. brettsalkeld says:

    Any chance that this strange dichotomy is rooted in the selective application of a natural phenomena? In other words, we know that women’s libidos vary over the course of a cycle, with a fertile woman being much more interested in sex than when she’s not fertile (go figure). Is it possible that each worldview takes half the story and absolutizes it for ideological reasons? I’d be interested in your thoughts.

  11. ozymandias42 says:

    It’s possible, although I have to point out that the ovulation-horniness thing doesn’t happen for every woman; for me personally my level of horniness has far more to do with how long it’s been since I had sex than when I’m ovulating, and I’ve known several women who were horniest when they were on their periods.

  12. brettsalkeld says:

    From my own reading, the time during a woman’s period is (on average) second only to the time of fertility in terms of interest in sex. The time right before the period is typically the time of least interest. I think the reasons for that are obvious.

    Another issue, similar to the first one I brought up, is that women’s sexual peak happens at a different time (about 15 years later in the life cycle) than men’s. That could also be isolated and absolutized for ideological reasons, again in either direction.

  13. brettsalkeld says:

    One more thing. In our culture, where so many women are on hormonal forms of birth control, the “ovulation-horniness” connection will be muted. I don’t know if that is an explanation for your own experience, but I suspect it will explain the phenomena in general. Evolution means that your body will try to get you pregnant when it can. It uses hormones to do that. If you mess with the hormones, the process doesn’t function the same way.

  14. aliarasthedaydreamer says:

    I think that’s pretty common in women *and* men — there’s a lot of sex advice which starts with “hold off for one or two days” and leads to incredibly crazy passionate sex.

  15. brettsalkeld says:

    Or a week!

  16. Emily says:

    @brettsalkeld: im completely different from what you describe, im in my horniest when less fertile, yes i always thought i was a freak.

  17. brettsalkeld says:

    Well, it isn’t exactly the norm, but there is a broad range here. With 3 billion women on the planet, it would be odd if they were all exactly the same.

    Feel free to ignore this question if it is too personal, but is there any chance this is the result of hormonal birth control? That would seem one likely explanation, though certainly it is not the only one.

  18. mpcl says:

    Ugh; how do I hate the gatekeeper construct, let me count the ways…

    I definitely used to be horniest around ovulation and have my libido almost entirely disappear around the beginning of my period. But the fluctuations in my libido became divorced from my cycle when I started on a birth control pill and now I can’t see any pattern in them.

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