You Are Not A Trope

In the two decades (!) that I’ve been on the Internet, I have been branded racist, sexist, homophobic, misogynist, a rape apologist, a fundie and a Nice GuyTM. Oddly enough, I have also been called a faggot, a socialist, a terror apologist, and, of course, a troll.

I can’t comment on which, if any, of these labels fit me. However, I’m troubled by the need that people on the net have to label everything.

The TVTropes site has grown in popularity over the past few years to the point where previously unknown terms like Mary Sue have become common knowledge. The site is incredibly addictive (for God’s sake don’t go there, you’ll be there for hours!) because everything is defined in terms of other tropes. The concept of TVTropes – that every aspect of fiction in the broadest sense can be neatly categorized – has spilled over onto the rest of the Internet, to the point where TVTropes is possibly as influential a site as Wikipedia.

The act of naming has a power that has been acknowledged for as long as we have had language; in Genesis, Adam claims his dominion over the animals by giving them names. One of the first actions that oppressed groups make in consciousness-raising is to reclaim or repurpose the name they’ve been given: whether it’s claiming a new name like African-American or turning around an existing name like queer, the message is the same: you will not define what I call myself.

So what exactly is wrong with labeling? Labeling is simply efficient. It’s an easy way of categorizing stuff, to get on to the serious points you’re trying to make. In fact, it’s precisely this ease that makes it dangerous.

When you label something or someone, it becomes a way of dismissing arguments. When someone can be labelled a “Nice GuyTM” or a “RadFem” you can more easily ignore the subtleties of their arguments. It also becomes more easy to throw an ad hominem argument.

This can have real-world consequences. When former senator Ted Stevens (he of “the Internet is a series of tubes” fame) died, the typical response was to reduce him to his silliest statements and his criminal activities, and I went along with this. I was chastened when someone pointed out that Stevens was one of the sponsors of the Title IX legislation. God forbid someone have a complicated legacy! On the other side of the political spectrum, there’s Barack Obama; not only has he been given every negative political label imaginable, both his defenders and detractors have in turn been labeled as socialists, fascists, etc. This not only limits these people, it also prevents subtle arguments (try, for example, criticizing Obama from a progressive perspective.)

The solution is not to eliminate all labels, but to question them. In some forms of mathematics there is the idea that some proofs are not “true” but “useful.” The late author/provocateur Robert Anton Wilson (who was labelled a LOT of different things in his lifetime) said that nothing could be proven as true, but rather observed as behaving in a particular way.

This should apply to people and their arguments. If someone is expressing views in line with those of a Nice GuyTM, then it’s fine to call them on it. However, to say that this person IS a Nice GuyTM (or worse, “just” a Nice GuyTM) is intellectually dangerous. By labeling someone based on a few sentences in a comment box, you are essentially saying that this person is not worth the time to actively engage them. In today’s complex world, that’s a luxury we probably can’t afford.

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23 Responses to You Are Not A Trope

  1. bZirk says:

    As someone who is often unfairly labeled as nothing more than a stereotype, I can’t second enough what you’re saying; however, the good part about being so thoughtlessly labeled is how it’s made me sensitive in my approach to others. I resist the seeming convenience of making an individual two dimensional, and life is so much more interesting.

  2. sapphirepaw says:

    I would also note that the ridiculing over the “series of tubes” analogy was completely uncalled for. We professionals were talking about “fat pipes” long before Stevens’ comment was publicized on, um, Comedy Central. (At least, that’s where I heard it first.)

    There are decidedly problems with Congress and their grasp of digital age issues, but that was not one of them. Maybe we should re-establish the Office of Technology Assessment, something Mr. Santorum voted to defund? Campaign for real net neutrality using specific slogans (“the same Internet for all Americans” and “fair division of capacity” would be mine)?

    Ugh, I’m probably derailing the thread, but this sort of thing is important to me. 😦

  3. You know the “about me” on your Google or FB profile? I deliberately listed my own labels (that I choose to describe myself), all mixed up with what other people have labeled me over the years. I find it really confuses people, and they get very upset and demand to know which ones are “accurate”; they totally miss my point–that these labels most assuredly ARE “accurate” from somebody’s point of view. (i.e. my grandmother once memorably yelled at me, that all my friends were “strangers and oddballs”–and it became a catch-phrase in my family, so I included that… for example.) I thought by mixing the labels up, it would provide a more rounded profile of who I really am. Instead, I have been really surprised by all the reactions.

    Recently arguing with some borderline-fundamentalist Christians, several of the labels were used against me–particularly “outside agitator”–the idea being that you should never label yourself this, even in jest, even if other people have. THIS SAYS SOMETHING BAD ABOUT YOU, they argued, THAT YOU WOULD JOKE ABOUT THIS. So, even a jokey label from long ago, has meaning to someone. The thing about labels is, everyone does not view the label the same way… what you think is funny or harmless, they see as bringing down society.

    No label is without baggage that the user of that label is probably unaware of.

  4. monkey says:

    Sapphire paw: it’s a derailment, but an enlightening one 🙂

  5. Ted says:

    Two things, first Tvtropes is awesome if a bit time consuming and secondly I could give a long-winded critique of the president from a progressive standpoint, as have many before me, but Net Neutrality is way more interesting.

  6. Oddly (or perhaps not so oddly), I currently have about twenty tabs open, and eighteen of them were already TVTropes. Your warning is appreciated nonetheless.

  7. monkey says:

    Ted: I have no doubt that you can criticize Obama from a progressive standpoint, and that many have; I’m saying that they are branded “teabaggers in disguise.”

    The short version of my article would be “try not to assume anything about a person from their online comments”

  8. suturexself says:

    The danger in labeling isn’t just with people, but also with what they do. Why would we need to seriously consider what someone says if we can label it a “derail” (often ignoring that conversations tend to branch, and we don’t call it a “derail” if someone we like brings up a semi-related topic)? Why would we listen to someone mansplain/femsplain/splainsplain (thats ‘splaining what ‘splaining means to someone who alread knows)?

    How could someone have a valid point if what they’re doing is “apologism”? If they’re “ahabing”? Or “erasing lived experience”?

  9. Doug S. says:

    I’m not a trope. I’m many tropes!

  10. jherazob says:

    The labelling thing is one of many failure modes of our frail minds. I once heard that our mind cannot really hold more than a bit over a hundred members of our “tribe” (google “monkeysphere” for an interesting article by David Wong on this), yet we are billions and growing. Our minds have no other choice but to fill many, many spots with cardboard cutouts. I’m afraid that unless we can upgrade our brains this problem is just another fact of life and another bias to watch out for.

  11. The_L says:

    Thoughts:
    1. Excellent article, monkey! 🙂 I have to catch myself mislabeling ALL THE TIME. Doesn’t much help that when I did stupid things as a kid, my dad would call me stupid, instead of the behavior. Makes it that much harder to get out of your system.

    2. As much trouble as labels cause, it’s still nice to have something nice and succinct by which to call an inappropriate behavior, instead of “You know that thing where a person does X and Y and Z?” all the time. As you said, the problem is using that label to describe a person instead of a behavior.

    3. I think the origin of the “Nice Guy” label is that if someone has to tell you “I’m a nice guy,” he probably isn’t. It’s like modesty; if you say you’re modest, it means you’re not.

  12. @The_L: As far as I understand the term, “Nice Guy TM”:s are those guys who claim they can’t get laid because they’re TOO NICE, and women are all evil bitches who only want bad boys.

  13. monkey says:

    It’s not so much that labeling itself is bad as that I feel it’s used to dismiss ideas and people. Whenever you have a desire to think “ah, this guy’s just an MRA” take a step back and reconsider. I’m against reductive thinking.

  14. Dr. Anonymous? says:

    @Dvärghundspossen

    Nice Guy(tm) has been debated to death. My stance is it seems to mean any kind of behaviour that a feminists somewhere does not agree with.
    From using emotional manipulation for sex to stop spending time with female friends because you are tired of allways being third or fourth fiddle to them and their new boyfriend.

  15. Jebedee says:

    Nice article. And I’m glad someone else brought up that the “series of tubes” really isn’t a bad analogy; always bugs me when people go on about that.

    Something else that could be observed back when TVTropes had their “Troper Tales” section (people talk about personally observing tropes in play in real life. Now gone, and probably for the best.) was a weird hankering for self-labelling. Pretty much any character-based trope would have some lengthy series of entries about “Yeah, this is totally me”. And not just the ones where saying this was pretty much a way of bragging about how cool and interesting you were (though that was a lot of it). People seemed to love having little badges to wear.

  16. L says:

    @Monkey: I do that, but I still read what they have to say just in case this might be the day that pigs fly and an MRA will say something rational and that I agree with. Buuut, that day has never come. And just to prove that I don’t seek out confirmation bias, I experienced the exact same phenomenon with the GTS community being a bunch of bitter, mysogynistic manchildren, and then lo! I met two who weren’t. Not going to stop me from saying, “by and large” the GTS community is made up of a bunch of bitter, mysogynistic manchildren, but I’ll always keep those two in mind and look out for others who aren’t miserable human beings.

  17. Jay Generally says:

    Monkey, this article is great. It’s so relevant to my interests that it hits directly on why I chose my name – People always want you to choose sides and categories, and I just refer to myself as Jay, generally speaking. So all that, and alliteration. A lot of times these labels just turn into slurs; I don’t self designate as MRA or Feminist, but I’ve been called both and never as a compliment, only as accusation or an insult. A lot of reasonable stances, people, and ideologies get libeled with labels until the original meanings of the people and the labels are lost, just like with the word ‘dunce,’ and what seems to be happening with the word ‘gay.’

    Again, good article.

  18. Schala says:

    “@Monkey: I do that, but I still read what they have to say just in case this might be the day that pigs fly and an MRA will say something rational and that I agree with. ”

    I read about an MRA site denouncing a false statistic promulgated by the council of status of women and the minister of feminine condition. One that lasted over 20 years. Since 1980 or 1982, a claim that there was 300,000 battered women per year (in a 5.5 million people province at the time, 8 million now). Based on a mere estimate that 10% of adult women are battered every year (said estimate being made up from yet another estimation about calls to battered women’s shelters).

    This was true. The government ‘excused itself’, and yet the statistic was used by the Department of Justice, and others, for over 20 years and was used to inflate budgets over domestic violence (for women only, of course – they’ll never get that men even CAN be battered).

    As much as I’m not fond of their delivery, they were right on target.

  19. Danny says:

    monkey:
    It’s not so much that labeling itself is bad as that I feel it’s used to dismiss ideas and people. Whenever you have a desire to think “ah, this guy’s just an MRA” take a step back and reconsider. I’m against reductive thinking.
    I have to admit that I’ve done this big time and yeah one needs to step back and think before using such tactics.

    L:
    I do that, but I still read what they have to say just in case this might be the day that pigs fly and an MRA will say something rational and that I agree with. Buuut, that day has never come.
    (Funny, it was an MRA that convinced to stop using the term feminazi.)

  20. Meerschaum (Keith) says:

    So true, Monkey. It needs to be said more often.

  21. Meerschaum (Keith) says:

    I myself really am a stereotypical insupivious, postfaustian Cromulator – the sort that writers as diverse as Mark C Taylor, Algernon Blackwood, and Anna Quindlen warned about.

  22. Smith says:

    One of the things that bugs me about TVTropes is Unfortunate Implications, which strictly should be Unfortunate Inferences, especially when it points out that the Implications may not even be intentional. The usual trick for that section is to take a single example and then take it out of context entirely, then assume it’s meant to be a general statment. For example, the most prominent black character on Scrubs plays basketball. Just a stereotype, right? Except, as Dr. Cox points out in the show, the character is one of the worst players in a hospital full of white men.

    Like many things, sometimes the labels can become more important to people than the things they describe. I’ve seen people who respond to criticism of their argument by reflexively labeling their opponent as someone they can dismiss, even if it’s illogical.

  23. curiouserandcuriouser says:

    I love this post! Thanks for articulating this. And, yeah, this is why I make a conscious effort to only use “say” and not “harped”, “complained” or any other variation.

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